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Re: interior carpet

Rick:

Type 1 - sounds like the original Ozite carpet of the 1960s.
Type 2 - sounds like ?
Type 3 - sounds similar to what I installed on Panache.
The main issues are damage due to condensed moisture and the development of mold. Think of the fabric as a second vapour barrier and the damage that two vapour barriers, hull and cloth, adjacent to each together can do. Two vapour barriers next to each other is an absolute NO NO due to condensed moisture that can't escape. Mold and rot are the inevitable outcome. The rule of thumb of a vapour barrier is that the barrier MUST go to the warm side and any material on the cold side must be able to breathe to vent moisture. This will keep the insulation dry and/or prevent condensation so you can stay warm. However, since you aren't going to insulate the inside of an SJ23 hull, which is a vapour barrier, you must take the opposite approach and install a fabric that breathes and then ventilate the cabin. This approach is the same as opening your wet gear when it rains outside. This is the reason why I chose a fabric that breathes and doesn't rot. Any moisture that condenses through the fabric on the inside of the hull will simply evaporate without leaving a stain or starting rot. 
Regards

Bob Schimmel
(Always stay curious)

bpschim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx





Rick Bensyl wrote:
I brought home a bunch of samples of the "marine" carpet from Home Depot today. The fibers or the "carpet" are basically all mildew and stain resistant (synthetic) poly-olefin type material. 
There were basically three different types of carpet. All three claim they are approved for pool areas, decks, garages, boat carpeting and are not supposed to absorb water. The fibers on top don't differ that much, but the backing materials are very different. These are the three types:

1) this type has a ~ 1/8 inch thick black rubber that they call "marine backing". Looks like a non-sticky version of butyl rubber.

2) the second one has a backing called latex unitary- which appears to be a coating of clear latex impregnated into the base of the fibers.

3) the third type has a backing called "action back" which appears to be an open weave of waterproof fibers that the top layer is woven into. It almost appears to not be a backing at all (looks like the underside of normal home carpet to my untrained eye)

What are the main issues/concerns for using this stuff on the sides to replace the original vinyl? Is this mainly a water absorbtion problem for the outer fibers, a backing issue, or condensation problem? On the surface they seem like they are all pretty non-absorbent and durable, but perhaps there are other things I should be thinking about?

Thanks to all who have added ideas and suggestions to this project!

Rick Bensyl
SJ-23 First Wave



From: "geneandlizadams" <geneandlizadams@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 2006/10/24 Tue AM 12:36:52 EDT
To: <sanjuan23@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: SJ23 - Trailer guides and interior carpet

Rick
I would be very careful about using indoor out door carpet on the interior
of your boat. The only material I have ever seen that works has no backing
and will not absorb water. You might buy a minimum amount, and soak it in
water. ring it out and if it does not dry in an hour in the sun. you do not
want to use it.
Gene Adams
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Bensyl" <rbensyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <sanjuan23@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: SJ23 - Trailer guides and interior carpet



Hello everyone-

1) I also have been considering putting some guides on the trailer when I

"remodel" it next spring.

2) I have been working on several interior projects and removed the

original vinyl fabric (it was nasty) from walls above the shelf this
weekend.

I do not have Eagle stores in my area (live in the southeast) and can't

seen to find the Breitlin seascape fabric that Bob Schimmel used.  Local
marine store recommended using a thin high quality outdoor carpet made by
Shaw industries. I looked at it at Home Depot and it seems like it would
work well- much nicer and softer than the kind of stuff you see on miniature
golf courses. Its inexpensive, durable, mildew resistant and can be glued on
easily. Also comes in hundreds of designs, colors and several thicknesses.

Anyone ever use this stuff on the cabin walls or have any thoughts?

Thanks!

Rick Bensyl
SJ 23 First wave
Atlanta, GA

From: Bob Schimmel <bpschim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 2006/10/22 Sun PM 02:42:14 EDT
To: SJ23 Distribution <sanjuan23@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: SJ23 - Trailer guides

Good Day All:

I always trailer launch Panache and have done so successfully with only
the short keel guides to assist me in centering the hull over the
trailer.  This past Fall I ran into a problem that prompted me to
consider reinstalling my old steel 4' long hull guides.  They are
padded!  I'm reluctant to do that owing to the installation difficulty
on a tandem axle trailer.  I've seen the vinyl guides and they work well
for a power run about, BUT a 3000 lb sailboat?

So my question is addresses to those of you with these vinyl guides, or
other guides;  are they adequate to center the hull over the trailer,
hold the hull over the trailer in a slight side breeze?

--

Regards

Bob Schimmel
(Always stay curious)

bpschim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx




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