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Re: Sj23 Tech Tips




Dear Dave: thx for advice.. we have a 9.9 horsepower Yamaha.. I will take a
look at the prop issue too...
Maureen
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From: <dkg1952@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <sanjuan23@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: Sj23 Tech Tips


> I would agree with Mike regarding keeping the centerboard down.
> Although not as effective at slow speed I think the centerboard down
> helps. The centerboard doesn't know or care if sails are up or down, it
> can help reduce leeward movement of the boat.  Anything you can stick in
> the water to assist steering is OK with me.
>
> I believe it was this message board that had a discussion awhile back
> about outboards and props and their effectiveness.  Perhaps another size
> prop on your same motor may help control the boat better.  I had a
> similar problem with my previous motor (7.5 hp).  I replaced it with a
> (9.9 hp) outboard with a different size prop on it. The boat is much
> more responsive to the engine now.  But I attribute the change more to
> prop size than horsepower increase.  There was a very good article in
> Sail (I think?) magazine a few months back that addressed selecting the
> correct prop size.  Perhaps someone else remembers the article and can
> confirm.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Gottschalk
> "Chaney, Mike" wrote:
> >
> > IMHO, anytime you raise your keel prior to being safely stowed away in
the
> > slip, disaster is only waiting to happen.  Years ago, the very first
time I
> > went out in my very first sail boat, a MacGregor 26, I failed to lower
the
> > keel before departing and drifted into the boats across the slipway,
with no
> > discernable steerage.  No damage was done, but the entire local yacht
club
> > was on shore, standing around a Bar-B-Q watching me.  My wife was so
> > embarrassed she wouldn't get back on the boat for six months.
> >
> > Downwind under Bare Poles:  I have sailed downwind under bare poles at 5
> > knots in 30 knot winds.  At the time I had a Hunter 35.5 so I simply put
it
> > in reverse until I was doing about 2 knots.  In a San Juan it's harder
to do
> > because the motor backs out of the water.  I would suggest a drogue, a
> > sturdy metal bucket on the end of a 20 foot rope, as standard safety
> > equipment for docking in high down wind conditions.
> >
> > Mike Chaney
> > SJ-24
> > Fort Worth, Tx
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: D. Wendal Attig [mailto:thecoach@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:36 PM
> > To: sanjuan23@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: Sj23 Tech Tips
> >
> > Hi Maureen,
> >
> > First Question:  What did a 1982 San Juan 23 cost?
> > I have a 1983 SJ 23. While dealer mark-ups varied slightly depending on
> > seasonal incentives, the boats retailed at $12,795 FOB plus (in my case)
> > $3964.22 in freight charges from Auburn, WA  to the Buffalo NY Area*
.The
> > sail inventory was not included in the price, which was another;  $425
for a
> > racing main ($390 for a cruising main),  $280/$258 for the jib, $360 for
the
> > 153% Genoa and $460 for the spinnaker. Of course radio, instrumentation,
> > compass, outboard and mount, boarding/swim ladder and safety equipment
were
> > extra as well. (*Source: Clark Sails Price Sheet, "Effective April 15,
> > 1982"). it would easily have been possible to have $20-21,000 into the
boat
> > when it went into the water initially--another $1200-1500 if you also
added
> > a new trailer to the deal.
> >
> > Suggestion on your docking in high winds:
> >
> > I never dock with the centerboard down. The centerboard is rarely
effective
> > unless you are under sail (or enjoy scraping bottom in shallow water!)
> > I have noticed however that with the high freeboard on the SJ23, at slow
> > speeds (typically at docking or mooring  speed) there is a lot of
surface
> > area subject to wind pressure, throwing the bow off in a direction other
> > than normal rudder control provides (in flying this same effect is
called
> > sideslipping--moving ahead in almost the right direction, but sideways
as
> > well).
> >
> > Typically I found have found that the solution is to go slow enough to
> > control, yet fast enough to counter the wind. Anticipate, anticipate,
> > anticipate, then adjust, adjust, adjust to the changing attitude of the
boat
> > to the wind , make counter-moves in advance and leave yourself and other
> > boats a wide berth. Keep your motor running (even if in neutral) until
you
> > are safely moored or secured to the dock, even though most kicker-sized
> > outboards are not up to the "quick reversal" challenge. Above all, keep
your
> > "crew" at the ready with fenders and boat hooks to limit any potential
> > damage.
> >
> > Better yet......just stay out and play until the wind dies down--you can
> > always claim "boating safety" as the "Captain's decision"that kept you
from
> > being on time to the next appointment!
> >
> > I wish you smooth sailing and better mooring.
> >
> > D. Wendal Attig
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> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Maureen Larson" <mlarsonassoc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <sanjuan23@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: "Cathy Chiari" <CLC336@xxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 1:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: Sj23 Tech Tips
> >
> > > Dear Bob:
> > >
> > > Thx for tech tips.. they are great.. some questions for the group:
> > >
> > > Does anyone know what price our sj23 retailed new in 1982?  I am in
the
> > > process of transferring a title and naming our boat with a new
partner,
> > > Cathy Chiari.
> > >
> > > Secondly, I am new to sailing. (A powerboat convert!)  Do you usually
dock
> > > with your centerboard down in heavy wind and currents when motoring
in?
> > we
> > > almost had a mishap in which the heavy northerly winds picked us up
while
> > > motoring in and almost pushed us into a dock and 3 boats.  Another
larger
> > > boat almost beached itself on rocks after us. (My previous experience
with
> > > power boating and Blake island docking was similar but the power boat
was
> > > more manageable in this condition.)
> > >
> > > Our Yamaha OB usually is adequate but this time we were in reverse and
> > still
> > > moving forward at a good clip. It was alittle too exciting!  We had 25
> > knot
> > > winds in so was a great sailing ride until then..
> > >
> > > Upon arrival, center board was up and sails were down while we
expected to
> > > slowly  motor in. Would it have made any difference and would we
> > compromised
> > > the steering ? ( which we didn't have control of either.)
> > >
> > > I  hate to air my novice abilities publicly, but I need to start
somewhere
> > > and learn from my mistakes.
> > >
> > > What do you think? Any tactful advice from seasoned skippers will be
> > > appreciated!
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Maureen Larson
> > > Sas"sea"babe or Babe"sea"licious (name to be determined!)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Bob Schimmel <bschimme@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: SJ23 DISTRIBUTION <sanjuan23@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 8:21 AM
> > > Subject: Sj23 Tech Tips
> > >
> > >
> > > > Good day All;
> > > >
> > > > For those of you who haven't seen the changes yet, I've been going
> > > > through my back log of SJ23 emails and adding the contents into some
> > > > existing Tips.  In other cases I've created new ones. I've forgotten
> > > > which ones I've changed, but this is shown in the indexes.  Thanks
to
> > > > all who contributed. The pictures for some of them will come later.
> > > >
> > > > Paul I'm anxiously awaiting the pictures of your steam bending.  The
> > > > railings that is, not the boat!
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best Regards
> > > >
> > > > Bob Schimmel
> > > >
> > > >
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