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Re: All broke up




Mick
Contact me at pgardnersj@xxxxxxxx I do not carry these prices in my head. I
can send you a price list from that address.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mick & Claire Roberts" <claire@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <sanjuan23@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: All broke up


> I couldn't find any tire tracks, Gene.  However, since my boat is a '79
and
> the rudder most likely of the same vintage, it probably should have broken
> long before this season.  Your "new" rudder sounds interesting ... what's
> the price?
>
> Mick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "geneandlizadams" <geneandlizadams@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <sanjuan23@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 12:41 AM
> Subject: Re: All broke up
>
>
> > We are building a kick up rudder blade to replace one that broke because
> the
> > foam inside did not cure. This is the first 23 rudder to break in nearly
> ten
> > years of building rudders. Clark used a structural foam inside, which
> seems
> > to fail after time. We use a lighter foam inside, and a stronger shell,
> > which results in a stronger blade. We will stand behind any of ours that
> > break in two years of sailing. Tire tracks on the blade void the
warranty
> > Gene Adams
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mick & Claire Roberts" <claire@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <sanjuan23@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:03 AM
> > Subject: All broke up
> >
> >
> > > Late news from the Neuse:
> > >
> > > Back in early June during a club race with the Oriental Dinghy Club my
> > > rudder broke off ... completely!   Luckily, it did not float away.
> > >
> > > We were on the last weather leg about 50 yards away from the leeward
> mark
> > > and doing quite well, thank you, when suddenly there was no "feel" to
> the
> > > tiller.  Juan Mo' Time went into a tail spin ... totally out of
control
> in
> > > 20-25 knot winds.
> > >
> > > All was not lost (although the race was) since we could get home on
the
> > > outboard, I thought.  However, the gas tank was a bit low and we had
> about
> > > five miles or so to go dead to weather.  One of my crew came to the
> rescue
> > > then he told me that his boat was berthed next to a mutual friend in
> > Pierce
> > > Creek at about the halfway mark.  We limped into the creek and tied up
> > next
> > > to Skip's boat and I called Claire to come pick us up at the Whipple's
> > > house.
> > >
> > > An examination of the rudder revealed water soaked foam in the center.
> It
> > > had snapped right at the bottom of the cheek blocks.  Aha!  I thought
> ...
> > > dry it out, drill a couple of holes with a long half inch bit and put
> some
> > > re-bar in the holes, a bit of WEST system epoxy, seal it up and go
back
> > > sailing again.
> > >
> > > It worked fine for the Whortonsville Summer Sailabration (see picture
> > "Ahead
> > > of the Fleet") in very light airs ... so light that the race was
> > cancelled.
> > >
> > > Then came the really big interclub regatta August 3 and 4.  Fifty plus
> > boats
> > > from five clubs!  We were in the cruising division B with seven other
> > boats.
> > > I started out with full main and the 155 genoa.  That proved a bit
much
> so
> > > we dropped to the 120 and gave the weather leg a try before the start.
> > > Still overpowered!  Take a reef in the mail ... hard to handle, but
> > doable.
> > > The breeze was building to what proved to be up to 28 knots!
> > >
> > > After winning a good start we opted to sail on starboard almost to the
> > gybe
> > > mark then take a port tack back toward the weather mark.  We crossed
on
> > port
> > > tack a starboard boat whose anchor was partially overboard.  OK, we're
> on
> > > the starboard layline for the first mark.  We tack.  Making the line
> quite
> > > nicely and it looks like we are going to cross ahead of the rest of
our
> > > division.
> > >
> > > Crunch!  It's that sinking feeling again, or more accurately lack of
> feel
> > on
> > > the tiller.  Sure enough, the rudder has broken again!  This time,
> > however,
> > > we have enough gas to get back to Oriental Harbor and race
headquarters.
> > I
> > > don' know how many SJ23 skippers have had to steer the boat with the
> > > outboard, but let me tell you, it ain't no fun!  To make the long
story
> a
> > > bit shorter, we got back on a broad reach, tied up, had lunch and a
> couple
> > > of brewskis.
> > >
> > > The repair hadn't held.  Back to the drawing board.  Drill out all the
> > foam
> > > that can be reached.  More re-bar.  This time fill with epoxy and
> > saturated
> > > micro fibers ... a work still in progress.
> > >
> > > I am also looking at building a new rudder.  Originally I thought that
> > > epoxy-glueing two pieces of 5/8" quality marine plywood then shaping
and
> > > epoxy/fiberglass coating would be the way to go.  I called our local
> > marine
> > > designer, Aussie Graham Byrne, who keeps a stock of French plywood.
He
> > > quickly dissuaded my plywood idea in favor of building a
"quarter-sawn"
> > > blank by cutting clear 2x4's into 1.25" strips then turning them end
for
> > > end, epoxying up then shaping the blade.  This project is not yet
> started,
> > > but I'll keep you up to date complete with pix.
> > >
> > > Has anyone else in the on-line club had similar experience with
rudders
> > > breaking or building new ones?
> > >
> > > Without direction in Oriental,
> > > Mick Roberts
> > >
> > >
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