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Re: Re: SJ23 in heavy weather

I have a related question on this. I love the San Juan 23 and think its the perfect boat for my needs right now. 

I have a potential opportunity to move to Hawaii next year and would like to sail still if I move there.  I don't plan on sailing hundreds of miles between the islands, just bopping around in nearby coastal areas.  From my observations of weather there, it seems to have fairly steady tradewinds in the islands with the exception of winter storms.

What is the general consensus as to the SJ-23's ability in these conditions?  I'd hate to have to sell it to get a bigger boat if I don't really need to. It seems to do fine in moderate to strong winds, just doesn't like to be hit with a big gust when barely moving.  I can also go from my current 4HP outboard to an 8 HP for more punch if needed in waves.

 The larger boats I've looked at that have solid reputations are the Albin Vega 27 and perhaps the Catalina 27, but I really like what I have now.

If I move it will be shipped over on its trailer (I'm not crazy enough to attempt THAT sail)!

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

Rick Bensyl
> From: Bob Schimmel <bpschim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 2006/11/14 Tue PM 07:43:58 EST
> To: sanjuan23@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: SJ23 in heavy weather
> It is good to hear you two made out OK and that the boat survived in one 
> piece. 
> To hopefully answer some of your questions, I've experienced two knock 
> downs, one with the mast just about horizontal.  This was the wort one 
> since I was pinned down for about a minute by a wall of wind till the 
> wind pressure let up.  Storm front.  In both cases the cockpit stayed 
> dry.  However, I was praying for the main to break, which didn't 
> happen.  I couldn't release the mainsail or the jib and the companionway 
> was wide OPEN.  I was sailing solo both times. 
> These events are what prompted me to:
>     * install a traveler control line that I could release from either
>       side of the cockpit -
>     * lock the drop boards in the companionway -
>     * seal the sliding hatch -
> I still have to improve on a sheet net or bag to contain cockpit lines 
> for safety and another net on the back of the cockpit to store toys I 
> leave lying about. 
> I am also in the midst of improving my forward hatch latches which 
> should be done as soon as my buddy delivers the parts I ordered!  Hint, 
> hint Doug.
> Today I watch the weather a whole lot closer and reef well before the 
> s__t hits the fan.  But sometimes you still get caught.  Oh damn. 
> The way to look at this event is; you should have a lot more faith in 
> the hull and you two have an experience that _you can talk about_ for 
> along time.  You are stronger for it.
> Regards
> Bob Schimmel
> (Always stay curious)
> bpschim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> DB27513 (David) wrote:
> > Having just got back from an extraordinary boating trip in on our SJ23 
> > from New Bern NC to Oriental NC on the Nuese River, my wife & I got to 
> > talking about likely scenarios when an SJ23 is caught in heavy 
> > weather.  This past Sunday, we left Oriental to return to New Bern at 
> > about 9:30am. A front was supposed to have passed through during the 
> > night, and all forecasts as of Saturday put winds @ NW 15 - 20 & 
> > diminishing in the afternoon.  While we had not heard whether the 
> > front had moved through over nite, we assumed it had been relatively 
> > small, and had come and went. 
> >
> > We left the marina with one reef in the main and a 110 jib. About 3/4 
> > mile out,  we saw a line of dark clouds approaching.  The wind quickly 
> > built to 30+,  building a steep chop of 4 - 5 ft running down the 
> > river.  For the next 20 minutes, it took everything we had to continue 
> > to steer the boat, get the jib down, and then the main.  The bow of 
> > the boat was heaving up & down a good 10ft, with my wife hanging on, 
> > as the boat climbed over each wave. We ended up splitting the main 
> > before she could finally get it down, as I was unable to steer the 
> > boat directly into the wind.  Somehow I managed to start the motor, 
> > and with our weenie 8 horses fully cranked, we managed to turn the 
> > boat through the eye and head back in.  Thats when we were broadsided 
> > with a 5 footer that nearly put the mast in the water.  I was looking 
> > straight down at the starboard winch, almost submerged.
> >
> > We made it in, but IMHO, only barely.  Thinking back, I would have 
> > done some things differently, but as mentioned above, what happens 
> > when an SJ23 rolls bad?  Does the cockpit flood?  If the hatch is open 
> > will the cuddy flood?  Is that the sign that shes going down?  Is 
> > there any significant righting moment in an SJ23?
> >
> > The water was 65 deg, a mile to both shores, and we both had on loads 
> > of clothes.  Swimming to shore was not an option. If we had gone 
> > over,  hopefully we would have had the waterproof VHF & GPS in hand.
> >
> > In retrospect, we needed to have local, recent forecasts, and more 
> > importantly, should have talked around.  Others captains were in the 
> > know, and chose not to go out that morning.
> >  
> > The difference between an ordeal and an adventure is attitude
> >
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